BTW, the likely choice is Siberian elm or American elm if the bark does not look like Chinese. It shares the same vase shape as the American elm.. 0000229551 00000 n That’s the point of my post. We are open for retail sales of lumber and slabs from 8 a.m. – noon on Saturdays and by appointment during the week. Siberian Elm are prone to having weak wood, slime flow from bacteria, poorly attached branches, and producing amazing amounts of seeds. That said, Siberian Elm & Chinese Elm don't seem to be particularly invasive in Southern Ontario....naturalized, yes....invasive, no. 0000000764 00000 n 0000000965 00000 n Extremely susceptible to insect, disease, and herbicide damage, which makes it an undesirable tree. Before Dutch elm disease arrived, English elms were also common across Europe, but they are now confined primarily to Portugal, France, Spain, and England. Here in WY the Siberian were used for shelterbelts and you could count on a bushel of seeds every spring, but no tree worth anything except for firewood. Luis Sánchez Saturno/The New Mexican Facebook 0000007399 00000 n A large Siberian elm stands in Cathedral Park as Cara Keyser and her mom, Diane Keyser, of Louisville, Colo., take a break on a park bench May 2. The Chinese elm has a rounded shape and distinctive exfoliating colorful bark in shades of brown, gray, green, and orange. It is also known as the Asiatic elm and dwarf elm, but sometimes miscalled the 'Chinese Elm' (Ulmus parvifolia).It is the last tree species encountered in the semi-desert regions of central Asia. Siberian Elm vs. Chinese Elm. Change ), You are commenting using your Twitter account. The tree is also called the Asiatic elm or dwarf elm and is sometimes confused with the Chinese elm. Plan on using them for your woodworking projects and having great results. 0000001082 00000 n It does not die from Dutch Elm disease, but has other issues that make it less desirable as a tree. Siberian elms (also known as the Asiatic, Lacebark, or Chinese elm) are common in Central Asia, Mongolia China, Siberia, India, and Korea. It is brittle and will easily break in storms and it is often tormented by other issues that leave it looking less than perfectly healthy all year long. %PDF-1.2 %���� Siberian Elm (Ulmus pumila)A fast-growing tree that grows to be 50-70’ tall. Like the American elm, it is tough to split, and it takes a long time in the season. And I am not sure if it was ‘American’ elm , but I doubt it…thanks for the post. The elms to which you refer are probably Siberian Elm (Ulmus pumila) instead of the true Chinese Elm (Ulmus parvifolia). Siberian elm. Thank you for any advice. Ulmus rubra, the slippery elm, is a species of elm native to eastern North America, ranging from southeast North Dakota, east to Maine and southern Quebec, south to northernmost Florida, and west to eastern Texas, where it thrives in moist uplands, although it will also grow in dry, intermediate soils. Chinese elm is more oriental in shape. Siberian Elm is the weed of the elm family. Nonetheless, just assume that your Chinese elm is actually a Siberian elm, unless it looks a lot like the photos below. ( Log Out /  Thanks for the input. I often recommend them to my customers for woodworking projects. In colder regions of the country deciduous foliage develops a deep red, purple or even yellow fall color. I've attached photos of the trunk and leaves. Both American and Siberian elms are prolific at spreading seeds, which helps them pop up in unplanned locations. I’ve found nothing to describe the Siberian elm sapling and wondering if you can help. Siberian Elm is the standout of the two, and commonly has small knots that can range from just a couple per board, to a birds-eye look, and even heavily burled. Chinese elm seeds in the fall. European elms are common across Europe. We have green lumber, air-dried and kiln dried lumber as well as lower grades available. For optimal drying conditions, it will take at least a year to season. smaller than those of Siberian elm and are without the purplish coloration. //--> The bark is similar in color and texture to the American elm. Siberian elm is very common in Albuquerque and has become a nuisance. I think the Siberian elms tend to be the showiest with wild grain and desirable imperfections. The bark has the same scaly texture throughout the lower portion of the tree. It can be used as a substitute for the American elm in the quest to overcome Dutch elm disease. In this case, the tree has a short trunk with a … In the back yard, on the other hand is an elm sapling, uniform in shape with very light colored, smooth bark. Siberian elms are not great trees, while American elms are, at least as far as trees go. I wouldn’t plan on using them for outdoor furniture because they aren’t as durable as other woods and they do tend to twist in the weather. Other common names include red elm, gray elm, soft elm, moose elm, and Indian elm. I found your page while searching for advice regarding the huge trunk cuttings of the Siberian’s which I kept. Allergic reactions of Elm are allergic reaction and Asthma whereas of Siberian Elm have Mild Allergen respectively. Siberian elm traits: Bud Arrangement - Alternate. Elm tree bark: Wych elm bark is gray and smooth when young, which gradually develops fissures as the tr I saw it in a floor in Wisconsin and thought it surpassed oak for beauty. While these trees have demonstrated invasive traits, there is insufficient supporting research to declare them so pervasive that they cannot be recommended for any planting sites. Promising Dutch elm disease resistant hybrid elms from crosses of Siberian Elm (U. pumila) and Japanese Elm (U. davidiana var. Siberian elm (Not recommended) Siberian elms have invasive traits that enable them to spread aggressively. 0000230636 00000 n As far as lumber goes, I am a fan of all elms. Many Lace Bark Elms get around 50 feet high and 35 feet wide. It is valued for its shiny, dark green foliage and rounded shape. Click on the photo above for a short video tour and see all of the steps it takes to go from a tree to finished furniture. I was at an arborist conference last year and there was a lot of talk about Siberian elm from a presenter from Minnesota. We offer local high-grade hardwood lumber milled by us. Siberian Elm. Change ). I have never seen one in real life, at least that I know of, and this was a great opportunity for a close-up view of a confirmed Chinese elm tree. Look at the new growth on your Siberian and see if it looks like the other to be sure. The presenter from Minnesota, specifically addressing power line issues and breaking branches, put Siberian elm at the top of the “Do Not Plant” list. Also known as Chinese elm, lacebark elm is a medium size tree that typically reaches heights of 40 to 50 feet (12 to 15 m.). This tree I kept because it’s beautiful, shady, and never drops limbs. Often confused with Chinese elm (Ulmus parvifolia). 0000001269 00000 n Lacebark Elm Information. The Chinese elm tree (Ulmus parvifolia) has the same graceful vase shape as the American elm and also makes an excellent shade tree. Tags: Chinese, elm, Lumber, sawmilling, Siberian, Woodworking, Wunderwoods. x�c```c``�������9���@���1�mc�b��Ͱ���" �. Twigs and leaves are … Noteworthy Characteristics. It isn’t that big of a deal, except that there really is a Chinese Elm and I often wonder if the next call about a Chinese Elm will, in fact, yield a Chinese Elm. Here in Mn, the Siberian elm is a decent tree. I've split American Elm and it … You are correct. In this case, the tree has a short trunk with a lot of taper and crooked smaller branches. Here's the answer. Chinese Elm Firewood. It has been described as "one of the most splendid elms, having the poise of a graceful Nothofagus".. Ulmus parvifolia, commonly known as the Chinese elm or lacebark elm, is a species native to eastern Asia, including mainland China, Taiwan, Japan, North Korea, South Korea and Vietnam. They tend to not dry flat, but generally work fine with power tools. Siberian elm was brought in to replace dying American elm trees. This is a different species (Ulmus parvifolia), and there aren’t that many around town. 0000000668 00000 n 0000227373 00000 n Without getting too technical, the main thing to know is the difference between the American Elm Tree and the Chinese Elm Tree. Thank you for enlightening me. 26 0 obj << /Linearized 1 /L 1098713 /H [ 764 201 ] /O 29 /E 231844 /N 5 /T 1098149 >> endobj xref 26 17 0000000016 00000 n Initially, I suspected the Siberian in the front yard to be its parent, but the light color throws me off, making me think it is the Chinese variety. ( Log Out /  It is difficult to identify young trees by the bark because young bark is so much different than mature bark. They are commonplace in most towns throughout the West, but typically they only grow in areas that are neglected. While most elm species are good hearty trees, Siberian Elm is a problem in the urban forest. I suspect the real motivation is the annual appearance of elm seedlings in flowerbeds. I like both American Elm and Siberian Elm and assume that I would like Chinese Elm as well, and I don’t want to miss my chance to mill one if it ever comes along. Everyone always asks what I do. Although often called a Chinese elm, a Siberian elm (Ulmus pumila) is a totally different tree. From spalting, to curly grain as well as wacky shaped pieces and unbelievably gorgeous slabs. Nonetheless, just assume that your Chinese elm is actually a Siberian elm, unless it looks a lot like the photos below. I have gotten used to it now. Although many know Siberian elm as "Chinese elm," another species, Ulmus parviflora, is more correctly called "Chinese elm." Find diameters of the same size to compare. For the record, I have seen many trees that you can’t get your arms around (which doesn’t make that nutty measuring system any less ambiguous), but the Chinese Elms that I hear about have never, ever, ever, not once, actually been Chinese Elms – they have always been Siberian Elms. Siberian elms are not a good choice for Missouri landscaping. 0000225209 00000 n It is noted for its excellent foliage, multi-colored bark, rapid growth and good resistance to Dutch elm disease. japonica) e.g. Fill in your details below or click an icon to log in: You are commenting using your WordPress.com account. I had no idea about two of the giants (Siberian Elms) I reluctantly had to cut down because in snow storms they would drop enormous limbs in the driveway breaking through power lines. Chinese elm is more oriental in shape. Siberian Elm (Ulmus pumila) a very hardy, fast growing tree with brittle wood which is subject to breakage. Chinese elm is more oriental in shape. Ulmus pumila, the Siberian elm, is a tree native to Central Asia, eastern Siberia, the Russian Far East, Mongolia, Tibet, northern China, India (northern Kashmir) and Korea. Chinese elm. That sounds like elm leaf beetle, who love American elm. Dan 0000000945 00000 n Smaller of course is relative because in my opinion it still gets quite large. 0000001247 00000 n However, once seasoned, it is an average kind of wood. I took that opportunity to snap some photos for comparison. Even-tually Chinese elm may approach forty to fifty feet Siberian elm trees are small to medium-sized bushy trees with a rounded crown of dense foliage. Siberian elm is the weed tree that throws seeds in the spring. Because we love wood, we have a lot of very interesting stock. thanks. It adapts to many types of soil and prefers moist but well-drained conditions. All lumber is rough sawn with surfacing available at the standard shop rate. ( Log Out /  0000007375 00000 n I think American elm is one of the prettiest woods around and I am a big fan of Siberian elm too. I can't tell whether is it a Chinese elm (Ulmus parvifolia) or a Siberian elm (Ulmus pumila). I have no input on elms from England since I have no official experience with them, but I am going to put my money on them not being American elm. Ulmus parvifolia, commonly called Chinese elm or lacebark elm, is a medium-sized deciduous tree that typically grows to 40-50’ (less frequently to 70’) tall with a rounded crown and long pendulous branching.It is native to China, Korea and Japan. ( Log Out /  Change ), You are commenting using your Google account. 0000226292 00000 n There aren’t many Chinese elms and since you have a Siberian in the front, the other is most likely a Siberian as well. The Chinese (Lacebark Elm) tree is smaller than the American Elm tree. It also has a fast growth rate, but it is prone to branches breaking and many diseases and pests. It really isn't that much work. Dutch Elm Disease View full size in a new window It is not uncommon for only one in ten logs of Siberian Elm to have straight grain, with the rest having varying degrees of funkiness. Change ), You are commenting using your Facebook account. The Siberian elm has gray, deeply furrowed bark compared to the Chinese elm. 0000000613 00000 n Parvifolia elm is commonly known as Chinese or Lacebark elm medium-sized firewood. Do you think this type of wood would be good to use for this purpose? (2012). 0000228460 00000 n In a natural environment though, they have a tougher go. (Also isn’t lifting my driveway with roots as the others did). Siberian elm (which i often call Chinese elm - by mistake, they ARE different) weighs a ton when wet. I’m wanting to make furniture like live edge slabs for coffee tables, outdoor benches, etc. The bark on a Chinese elm looks nothing like other elms and unlike any domestic species. Scott can be reached at 314-574-6036. trailer << /Size 43 /Prev 1098139 /Info 25 0 R /Root 27 0 R >> startxref 0 %%EOF 27 0 obj << /Type /Catalog /Pages 28 0 R >> endobj 28 0 obj << /Type /Pages /Kids [ 29 0 R 1 0 R 7 0 R 13 0 R 19 0 R ] /Count 5 >> endobj 41 0 obj << /Length 42 0 R /S 71 /Filter /FlateDecode >> stream Without doubt there is a Siberian elm in our front yard which spread literally hundreds of annoying weed seeds everywhere around the property I have been caretaking past year. Common name(s): Siberian elm, Asiatic elm, Chinese elm, dwarf elm Scientific name: Ulmus pumila Family: Elm family (Ulmaceae) Reasons for concern: Large, dangerous limbs on older trees can easily break off and seriously damage properties or injure people.It is susceptible to many diseases (not Dutch-elm disease), insects, and growth disorders. It is second class to oak, and dies too often…it volunteers everywhere. as a amatuer tree cutter (firewood) i have a devil of a time identifying trees i found your post modt helpful and will now argue with my freinds that they too don’t have a chinese elm. They are useful trees in areas where trees are desired but care is unavailable. By the way, many people call Siberian elm by the wrong name, Chinese elm. The elm issue moved to the forefront after a recent trip to the Missouri Botanical Gardens when I ran across an actual Chinese Elm conveniently marked with a little official sign. Create a free website or blog at WordPress.com. Burns OK, but not great. It happens all the time, people call me and tell me about trees that are so big that they can’t get their arms around them and, unrelated but still slightly humorous, they tell me about their Chinese Elms. Almost everyone dislikes American elm. The bark is dark and coarse. As garden plants have benefits and other uses, allergy is also a major drawback of plants for some people. Thus far, it has been hardier than its cousin and is not susceptible to classic elm disease. This plant can be weedy or invasive according to the authoritative sources noted below.This plant may be known by one or more common names in different places, and some are listed above. The multiple colors and rich textures of lacebark elm … Denver has a program for it, if they are in the ROW you are in luck. If someone says they have a Chinese Elm, I just assume that it is a Siberian Elm. Chinese Elm vs. Siberian Elm. I took that opportunity to snap some photos for comparison. While Siberian Elm can grow to a large statured shade tree and is highly resistent to Dutch Elm Disease (DED), it is not as winter hardy as our native elms and all too often it will develop scrappy grow, sun scald, sloughing bark and dead branches, characteristics that earned it the name "piss" elm. The bark is gray-brown bark with furrows at maturity. It is flat and scaly with multiple colors from silver gray to rusty orange. From Oklahoma south and west to southern California the Chinese elm re-mains semi-evergreen to evergreen. Is hard to split when wet, but let it dry in the rounds for a few months and it doesn't split all that hard. Hardwoods from St. Charles & St. Louis (Live-edge slabs, lumber and woodworking). I have a third one I was told is an American Elm. Also known as dwarf elm and Asiatic elm, the Siberian elm tree is described as very tenacious wit invasive traits which means that it can grow anywhere with quite an aggressive spread. Nonetheless, just assume that your Chinese elm is actually a Siberian elm, unless it looks a lot like the photos below. Thanks to the Missouri Botanical Gardens for clearly marking this Chinese elm. Compare the facts of Elm vs Siberian Elm and know which one to choose. 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